House Immigration Bill

Question:

The House immigration bill will probably target businesses?

Answer:

They are talking about the Sensenbrenner Bill in this article, a bill which will be announced today. He is the Judiciary Committee Chairman who has control of immigration legislation in the House, so whatever enforcement bill is passed, it will be what he offers. It will be an amalgamation of the various enforcement bills we've heard about in the last several months. He is on our side, but the Senate will produce a Guest Worker bill to meet it.

The good thing about it is that it will likely include Electronic Verification for employers of new hires. That is the crux of this whole problem, or course. All of us can think of places we know and businesses we've worked that are now full of Illegals who would fail the Electronic Verification. It would be a LOT of fun busting these people. But the Senate's Guest Worker would no doubt try to fold existing Illegals into their plan.

I don't whether he is on out side or not!

House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., who crafted the bill, said he supports a guest worker program, which would provide temporary visas for unskilled labor. Some guest worker proposals would allow illegal immigrants already in the country to participate, although Sensenbrenner has not stated a position on that issue. But he said that without a clear consensus on what that program would entail, "I believe it is wise to move cautiously."

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-congress-immigration...

Who decides what the house votes on? Is it Sensenbrenner? If so, then why doesn't he want the house to have a say on a guest worker program?

It seems to me this is cut and dried and Sensenbrenner is in on it!

Could be. He used to be on our side, that's why I say that. He was the one who declared to Bush several weeks ago that there would be no Guest Worker without "Enforcement First". They say uncommitted things like he says there to keep the opposition hanging. Bush and his friends don't want Enforcement First, once we have enforcement all they have is their guest turd to offer on its own, it wouldn't go anywhere.

I have no doubt some of our soft friends would sell us out if we made it easy for them, they are just fucking politicians, all they care about are their jobs. You have to keep them scared. I don't know what will happen, but this is the big showdown they've been been avoiding. They will use everything they've got to screw us, we'll use everything we got.

One of the problems that needs to be solved is what to do if there is a "no-match" between the SS number and the name of the applicant using it.

The old INS said the "no-match" employee should Not be Fired = but given some time to "work out" the problem.

Is that still going to be the policy? Does ennyone know?

is that it only requires employers to verify that the SSN is a valid SSN, not that the SSN belongs to the person who is presenting it at the time of application for employment. It's pretty wimpy. But I've got to research this more, so this is just a initial observation. However, it's all moot if President Texas Trailor Trash gets his guest worker program though. All these wetbacks will become legal and we can all look forward to tens of millions more latinos to flood into the USA. We are done. As this plays out over the next 20 years, the USA will be very similar to any latin American banana republic ie. no middle class, most people poor and working class, and a small percent of the population controlling nearly all the wealth. Goodbye USA. Better write your congressman and better start now!

Every bill with verification in it has been about making the existing SAVE program mandatory, I assume this is the same. It runs the number through the SSA and DHS databases. The name has to match, and it has to be valid issue and not flagged in some way. I can think of half a dozen ways to get around it if that's all it does, but they don't publish everything they do to ferret fraud from the db. I don't know, I do know it isn't designed to be a sham. It has worked really well in the voluntary SAVE program, ferrets them out pretty well according to the testers. Mainly because Illegals phoney ID is crap. It looks fine for eyeballing but doesn't hold up too well after that. If they get bigtime into using multiples of stolen American's numbers, I don't know.

SAVE: http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/SAVE.htm#two

The aim so far as the Illegals problem is concerned is about ending it as a problem. If you can't get a couple of the really smart ones or the ones with big bucks to buy an ironclad fraud, then so be it. If we can get rid of the mass stream of incoming muchachos that employers want so bad, there won't be any point for them to fight us about it and pay the bribes anymore. Then we'd work to tighten it up further. You do everything you can from multiple directions to make it Not Worth It to them - border control, ID verify, local cops running their status routinely - too much money too much trouble and then you get busted driving home by a local cop and get deported anyway.

But yeah, all that means little if the just legalize them with Guest Worker. They'd have good numbers then alright.