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How 'bout some honesty in immigration debate?
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Meantime our Noble Leader continues to shirk his responsibility to insure enforcement of existing law. Should change the President's home from White House to Brown House?

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Of course it does. In strict sense those dollars are no different as other dollars used to buy foreign goods and services. The US spends hundreds of billions of dollars buying Mexican goods and services. Do you think that money simply dissapears from the US economy? When an American employer pays a Mexican worker, legal or illegal, it pays for services rendered. It's not a gift. So the American employer is obtaining a benefit. Then the worker takes that money to the money wire service, which, acting as a foreign exchange, change the dollars to pesos. The recipient in Mexico receives pesos, NOT dollars. Then the foreign exchange firm sells those same dollars to some Mexican company or individual, who uses those dollars to buy American goods and services. INTERNATIONAL TRADE, ladies and gentlemen. You can claim that the dollars leave the local American community to be dispersed into the general US economy, but you CANNOT claim that the dollars, and more specifically, the WEALTH, leaves the US in absolute terms. To say so is, FOR SURE, a gross misunderstanding on how the economy works.

Please, other economists out there, back me up! I keep explaining this point to the alt.politics.immigration crowd and they don't believe me!

What if they buy Japanese goods and services?

Speaking of gross misunderstandings, you seem to think that the only goods and services for sale in Mexico are American.

Then they would have to exchange the dollars for yens, and some Japanese company or individual would buy the dollars, and THEN buy American goods and services. Don't you get it?

No, but ultimately, the only goods and services you can buy with dollars are American. I KNOW this is an oversimplification; of COURSE you can use dollars to buy stuff from other countries, but eventually those dollars come back to the US economy one way or another, either buying goods and services, or buying securities. And even the fact that the dollar is used as international currency is by itself a benefit for the US. I just don't want to complicate the explanation so much; it is hard enough to understand within the Sesame Street version.

No, of course it's not their fault. I tell them that all the time. Economics is a hard subject, and it's very counter-intuitive.

The point is that the purchasing power has been moved to Mexico. That power to purchase could have stayed right here.

All of this international money swapping is irrelevant. The people in Mexico now have the power to purchase goods that could have been purchased by Americans had the power not left the USA. That is not a judgment or a complaint. It is just a fact. You did want honesty.

Actually, there is no misunderstanding here at all. The purchasing power (real wealth) has left the USA and landed somewhere else. That may be bad or good or in between. But it is still a fact.

So quit trying to muddy the water with all the currency swapping stuff. Goods that could have been purchased by an American are now going to be purchased by a non American. Whether actual greenback bucks left here and went to Mexico is irrelevant.

It is only hard and counter intuitive when you focus on the currency(ies) as opposed to the actual _stuff_. I do not begrudge the people of other countries EARNING the stuff they get (and they do EARN it). But claiming that this does not reduce the standard of living for the working people in this country is a lie. It does. We can argue that the standard of living of the American worker is based on economic rent, or that it is unfair that the people in other sovereignties do not enjoy that same standard. But we will not be arguing that the movement of purchasing power to those outside the USA does not compete with and reduce the purchasing power of those in the USA. The remuneration paid to American citizens (of the working class) is LESS because of the competition from foreign nationals.

you need to go back and study international economics. Of course the wealth leaves the US when dollars are spent abroad. They aren't converted to the foreign currency and repatriated. Among other things, foreign banks and governments buy massive amounts of US bonds. That gives them a lien on America's wealth. They can also use the dollars to buy American companies and properties. Dollars spent on imports or spent abroad are lost wealth--unless the US can sell an equal amount of our goods abroad to offset that loss. Since the US runs HUGE trade deficits, that isn't happening.





 
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